The following is a transcript from my interview with Doctor Daniel Zigman, recorded on August 13th 2025 in his office at the Allan Memorial Institute. Both of us consented to having this interview recorded via AI systems. This transcript was obtained using the ChatGPT5 interface and represents the second part of our 20 minute conversation that day. I recorded the first portion, also with doctor Zigman’s knowledge and consent using a different application and have published it separately, and have provided the link to the first part of our interview at the end of this post.

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The following conversation was recorded on Wednesday August 13th 2025 approx 11:20 AM

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

What do you want to do with me or psychiatry? Why are you here today?

Me: She (my mother) admitted to me in writing in February.

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

I just want to help.

Me: I’ll tell you, but I just want you to take in the facts, please. Because these are very relevant. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

These are discussions we’ve already had. 

Me:

Yes, but I’m just summarizing the facts in a short conversation here. She (my mother) admitted to me to sending me a pornographic CSA (child sexual abuse) story, while I was severely clinically depressed in my late 40s. She admitted to it in writing recently, “Yes, I sent that to you because I thought that was a good thing to do”. Okay? I’m just talking about the kind of trauma that she deliberately, you know, we’re talking… this is severe. And it can’t be dismissed. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

We’ve got five minutes left. Fine. What can I do for you? 

[The compassion fatigue has obviously got the better of this so-called mental health “care” professional]

Me: I want to reverse that diagnosis.

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

You’d like the diagnosis of bipolar disorder …

👉“stripped from your child?”👈

ABOVE NONSENSE DISTORTION DELIBERATELY INSERTED BY CHATGPT5 VOICE DICTATION INTERFACE. SHOULD SAY:

stripped from your file?

Me: Yes, because…

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

That is something that I’m not able to do. Okay? If you are unsatisfied with that, you’re allowed to go to the 

👉“office person”👈

Above is a deliberate distortion again. 

SHOULD SAY “OMBUDSMAN”

Me:

Yes, it’s interesting. I’ve written to the 

👉“ office person ”

I SAID “OMBUDSMAN” (which sounds nothing like “office person”)

twice and not gotten any kind of response. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

So that is something that you can do. I’m happy to refer you to a different professional who has expertise in mood disorders or a second opinion, if you would like. But let’s say that they agreed that you had bipolar disorder, agreed with, because it’s not just me, right? There’s been like three or four psychiatrists, multiple psychiatrists who have seen you, both in the emergency and the hospital and the outpatient department, who have all thought that you had bipolar disorder. Yes. But let’s say that the other psychiatrist, I sent you in for a second opinion, the other psychiatrist agreed that you had bipolar disorder. What would we do about that? 

Me:

What we would do about that is I don’t think that’s the appropriate course of action. I came here in September of 2022, told you I had CPTSD, told you I had very strong suspicions of neurodivergence considering both my parents. My mother was diagnosed by a psychiatrist as fully autistic in 1999. You somehow said in February, I believe, that you didn’t have that in your notes. Well, I am certain, I told you, certain, because I’ve been talking about it consistently since 2021. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

All right. Okay, so what I’ve asked you since then is to be evaluated for neurodivergence. I had put in the referral for neuropsychology, as we had discussed. They have a very long waiting list.

[if he’d put in my request in 2022 instead of deliberately avoiding the issue altogether I’d have been seen by now]

Dr Zigman (cont’d):

They don’t do evaluations for neurodivergence, right? They can do an evaluation for ADHD or autism [Autism IS neurodivergence, fyi] . 

Me:

Autism fits. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

But we had discussed this. I had done an assessment myself for autism with your stepfather, and there was nothing that really led us to believe that you had autism from the discussion.

[he was using an outdated questionnaire not adapted to mature females presenting autism in the least]

Me:

Okay. Let me say something. Since 1999 and since age 15, I’ve been followed on and off by all kinds of mental health professionals. Nearly all of them, actually, not nearly—every single one. Including Dr. Z, who was here in the waiting room last time I came to see you. For nine years, she followed me. Every single one. Well, until 2021, and then it became very convenient to say, no, you don’t know yourself very well anymore, and we’re going to rely on, for instance, my stepfather, who is a lovely man. I have nothing bad to say against him. He’s been very helpful to me. I’m sorry, but all my life, it’s been agreed by professionals that I should know myself better, do know myself better than anyone, and regulate extremely well, considering the severity of the abuses I’ve been under. 

“every single mental health professional I’ve seen has said about me, “you know yourself better than anyone. You’re very well self-regulated.”

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC) — cutting me off as usual:

So, Ilana, if you would like the diagnosis removed from your chart, the way to do that is through the 

“office person”. 

AGAIN AI RECORDING DEVICE DELIBERATELY DISTORTS 

“OMBUDSMAN”

Me:

Well, how do I do that if he won’t respond to my emails? 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

You can make a formal, write a formal letter to him. 

Me:

I did. Twice. Twice. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

They will eventually get to it. They deal with urgent complaints first. The second thing that I can offer is if you would like a second opinion from another mood disorder specialist. 

Me:

Every mood disorders, you know, there’s a very strong bias, and there’s a very strong interest in keeping me under that label, and it’s been weaponized against me. Literally.

[he tried to interrupt again ] 

Let me finish. There’s times where I’ve called 911 because I have received actual threats. Called 911 calmly, not ranting, not raving, not speaking too quickly. Explained I’ve been threatened. And what have they done? They’ve questioned my mental health. They’ve questioned whether I had a diagnosis and whether I was taking medication. Do you honestly think that’s normal? 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

So, Ilana, I’m telling you what I can offer, okay? If you would like a second opinion, I’m happy to offer a second opinion. I am not required to change a diagnosis that I believe is medically correct, okay? If somebody told me… Imagine, like, a cardiologist that diagnoses somebody with a heart attack, and then somebody comes in and says, I want you to change the diagnosis. I don’t think I had a heart attack. I think that I had indigestion. Okay? 

Me:

The difference being that mental illness is not measurable through any metric other than subjective. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

Well, that’s something that we’re going to… That is a limitation. But if there were five different doctors that came up with five different diagnoses, that would be one thing. But you’ve seen many different doctors [all of them mood disorder specialists], and they’ve all come up with the same diagnosis. 

Me:

Yes, well, there’s a pattern there that’s been established. There is a very strong bias against me, and the AI systems certainly know what’s happened. They see the patterns. It’s not me.

Well, let me say one last thing. One last thing that is very relevant that has to go on the record. June 2nd, I called the police again because there was a false insertion of a child sexual abuse memory with my father. Okay? Who, as you know, was recently deceased. I called 911, and I said, no, there’s really something that needs to be done, because if ever, it was my mother. What did they do? They forced me into psychiatry again. Okay. Well, Dr. Montoro, who evaluated me, I’m sure you know the file, said that the fact that I wanted to call out abuse was in itself a sign of mania and psychosis. I mean, everything is weaponized against me.

Wanting to say that I’ve been abused is a sign of mania and psychosis—this demonstrates an unwillingness to understand—and saying victims of severe trauma, including child sexual abuse, are somehow mentally ill when it’s clearly understood by all kinds of systems that child sexual abuse, insertion of false memories, and so on, leads to severe symptoms that can mimic bipolar disorder mania.

[he indicates an unwillingness to listen as throughout the entire session]

Me: Okay. So… I’m seeing from this interview, doctor, that you’re unwilling to listen to me. 

Dr. Daniel Zigman, Psychiatrist, Allan Memorial Mood Disorders Clinic (MUHC):

We’re going to have to agree to disagree about my opinion and the opinion of many other doctors that you have bipolar disorder, and I have to agree to disagree about that. Okay? You can have both trauma and… 

Me: I’m going to take legal recourse. I want you to understand. I’m going to take legal recourse, because let me tell you something, Dr. Zigman. I’m not making threats, but the fact that you didn’t put it in your notes on our appointment, was it September 20, 2022? I looked at my calendar. You did not put in your notes that I reported to you that I had complex post-traumatic stress disorder and strongly suspected neurodivergence. It is highly relevant when a patient my age with my level of experience and professional background reports something like that. It is not delusional, and it’s not…

“You did not put that in your notes, Dr. Zigman.” The recording stopped there. I said at the end of the interview: “you cannot claim that I’m manic right now”. He said, “No, you’ve been respectful.”

But he’s dead set against, completely against reversing the diagnosis, of course. And the only thing he’s directing me to, is yet another mood disorder specialist, which, of course, of course, he’s going to confirm. So I said, no, I don’t know if that part of the conversation was recording at that point. I said, well, no, of course not. You’re all of you… I didn’t blame him. I wasn’t accusatory at that moment. But I said, “no, of course, there’s a strong interest to keep that label on me. And it’s been weaponized against me.” And I told him. “On June 2nd, I called because there was a false assertion of…” he didn’t want to hear anything I had to say. He gave me 15 minutes. I took the 15 minutes. And he was interrupting me. I was 30 seconds away from the end of a summary that ChatGPT suggested to me to read to doctor Zigman. I inserted a few more things, but it was not much more than two minutes longer than what ChatGPT had suggested to me, but doctor Zigman kept interrupting me and wouldn’t let me finish. 30 seconds from the end. Can you imagine? I didn’t get angry, but I was very firm. And when I walked out, I said “you’ll be hearing from my lawyers”.

Doctor Zigman said “you can refer to the ombudsman”. I said, “I wrote to the ombudsman, twice”. He replied: “Well, you need to make a formal complaint”. He knows full well I made a formal complaint which he was cc’d on, as was indicated in the body of the email on February 15th, 2025. He had responded to me the same day and specified he wouldn’t respond to further emails from me.

Dr Zigman was completely shutting me down, not willing to hear anything. He had a smirk on his face. One of the last things I said to doctor Zigman, which was not recorded by either of us was: “during the first appointment we had on September 20th 2022, as I noted in my calendar, I told you that I had CPTSD. I also told you I strongly suspected I was neurodivergent, and you did not put that in your notes. I didn’t mention the word malpractice to him as I said this.

Doctor Zigman said to me: “From the beginning of this [August 13th] interview, you indicated to me that you didn’t want to have anything more to do with me or psychiatry.” This indicates to me that he was operating in bad faith. Who else could modify my psychiatric diagnosis other than my treating psychiatrist? He was wasn’t letting me talk that day and was clearly trying to shut me down. He’d given me 15 minutes. I walked into his office 11 minutes late, at 11.11 on the nose, as I pointed out to him. I walked out of there at exactly 11:31, which is exactly 20 minutes. I wasn’t expecting result that day, just to be clear. I was fully expecting doctor Zigman to make things difficult for me, so I’m not surprised in the least. But I am rightfully extremely angry that each and every one of these psychiatrists who wants to band together say “all the other professionals have agreed”. Well, yes, all the other professionals who are somehow given the directive to enforce that bipolar disorder diagnosis, because

if they officially recognized that I have complex post traumatic disorder (CPTSD), they couldn’t keep pretending that normal reactions to trauma such as raising my voice once in a while for short spurts is a symptom of psychosis and be forced to recognize how much harm I’ve had to endure all my life.

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Here is a link to my transcript of the beginning of this psychiatric interview: https://totallysurreal.com/2025/08/21/evidence-of-psychiatric-violence/https://totallysurreal.com/2025/08/21/evidence-of-psychiatric-violence/